1 00:00:01,292 --> 00:00:04,295 [♪ tense music playing] 2 00:00:12,345 --> 00:00:16,056 [Rich Bundy] Everybody can have that moment of going into a dark, bad place. 3 00:00:16,850 --> 00:00:19,561 I imagined myself doing things like Ted did, 4 00:00:19,644 --> 00:00:24,107 just to try to understand what he was like in that personality to wanna kill people. 5 00:00:33,742 --> 00:00:37,954 I looked at myself in that mirror and I physically started to get sick, 6 00:00:38,038 --> 00:00:40,999 queasy in my stomach. I knew I could never do such a thing. 7 00:00:41,082 --> 00:00:43,043 I guess some people are wired for it and some aren't. 8 00:00:52,802 --> 00:00:54,512 And he caused permanent anguish. 9 00:00:54,596 --> 00:00:56,389 It's like, you know, this [bleep] gotta stop! 10 00:00:57,891 --> 00:00:58,892 [clicking] 11 00:01:06,024 --> 00:01:09,027 [♪ tense music playing] 12 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,783 [reporter] We have almost two dozen young women dead, 13 00:01:14,866 --> 00:01:16,534 the victims of the Green River Killer. 14 00:01:18,161 --> 00:01:21,623 [William Birnes] The whole premise was using one killer 15 00:01:21,706 --> 00:01:23,083 to catch another killer. 16 00:01:23,166 --> 00:01:25,210 It had never been done before 17 00:01:26,127 --> 00:01:28,963 and that became The Silence of the Lambs. 18 00:01:38,306 --> 00:01:41,309 [♪ dramatic music playing] 19 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,459 [♪ dramatic music continues] 20 00:02:06,543 --> 00:02:08,169 Less than six hours from now, 21 00:02:08,253 --> 00:02:11,381 accused mass murderer Ted Bundy is scheduled to be executed 22 00:02:11,464 --> 00:02:12,632 in a Florida prison. 23 00:02:18,930 --> 00:02:21,933 [♪ dramatic music playing] 24 00:02:28,189 --> 00:02:30,859 [♪ ominous music playing] 25 00:02:56,801 --> 00:03:00,180 [Bob Keppel] Here we were, lead investigator Dave Reichert and I, 26 00:03:00,263 --> 00:03:03,558 listening to Ted Bundy's theories about the Green River Killer. 27 00:03:04,559 --> 00:03:05,977 He hoped that by helping us, 28 00:03:06,060 --> 00:03:08,479 he could avoid his date with the electric chair. 29 00:03:09,147 --> 00:03:11,065 But I was here for a different reason, 30 00:03:12,483 --> 00:03:15,570 getting him to confess to the murders of eight young women 31 00:03:15,653 --> 00:03:17,947 in Washington State 10 years ago. 32 00:03:19,699 --> 00:03:22,243 To get there, I had to play a game. 33 00:03:23,536 --> 00:03:26,706 When I asked, "How should I talk to the Riverman?" 34 00:03:26,789 --> 00:03:29,584 I meant, "How should I talk to Ted Bundy?" 35 00:04:03,451 --> 00:04:05,620 [♪ dark music playing] 36 00:04:05,703 --> 00:04:07,664 [film strip whirring] 37 00:04:08,873 --> 00:04:11,125 -[♪ gentle music playing] -[birds chirping] 38 00:04:14,170 --> 00:04:17,548 [Rich Bundy] Ted was the first born from my mom to a different man. 39 00:04:17,632 --> 00:04:19,676 And so my mom met my father. 40 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:24,180 My father and mom got married and had four more children. 41 00:04:30,061 --> 00:04:32,647 Ted was 15 years older than me. 42 00:04:32,730 --> 00:04:35,775 I loved him and I liked him, and of course, I looked up to him. 43 00:04:35,858 --> 00:04:37,777 If I was at a friend's house after school 44 00:04:37,860 --> 00:04:40,738 and I happened to call home to check in with mom or dad, 45 00:04:40,822 --> 00:04:42,407 and they'd say, "Ooh, your brother's here," 46 00:04:42,490 --> 00:04:43,574 I would just suddenly go, 47 00:04:43,658 --> 00:04:47,287 "Oh, I gotta go home! Ted's-- Ted-- Oh! Ah!" I was all excited. 48 00:04:48,955 --> 00:04:50,123 We were very close. 49 00:04:50,957 --> 00:04:53,084 He was kinda like a second dad in the way. 50 00:04:53,918 --> 00:04:56,421 I remember him saying, "I sense music coming outta you." 51 00:04:56,838 --> 00:04:58,798 You know, he's trying to encourage me, right? 52 00:04:59,799 --> 00:05:01,634 We-- We went camping several times 53 00:05:01,718 --> 00:05:06,306 and we went to a couple of rodeos together and football games. 54 00:05:07,515 --> 00:05:11,269 He never showed any signs of the negative-- the bad side of him. 55 00:05:11,936 --> 00:05:14,272 He made it a point to make sure 56 00:05:14,355 --> 00:05:16,607 I didn't ever get any hint of that from him. 57 00:05:19,610 --> 00:05:23,364 [Keppel] I knew lying was a major factor in Bundy's relationships. 58 00:05:24,615 --> 00:05:28,661 He lied to everyone, his girlfriends, family, 59 00:05:28,745 --> 00:05:32,957 parents, friends, cellmates, and lawyers. 60 00:05:33,041 --> 00:05:35,043 [interviewer] Have you ever physically harmed anyone? 61 00:05:35,126 --> 00:05:37,003 "Ever physically harmed anyone?" 62 00:05:37,670 --> 00:05:38,671 No. 63 00:05:40,214 --> 00:05:41,215 No. 64 00:05:42,342 --> 00:05:45,136 He knew what he was doing. He should have [bleep] turned himself in. 65 00:05:45,219 --> 00:05:47,555 'Cause I don't give a damn who the hell you are. 66 00:05:47,638 --> 00:05:50,600 You know, I don't give a [bleep] if we're blood-related, you know? 67 00:05:50,683 --> 00:05:53,561 These are women who didn't deserve that and they-- 68 00:05:53,644 --> 00:05:55,229 and there are people left alive, 69 00:05:55,313 --> 00:05:58,399 and they have to live their whole lives with this horrible pain 70 00:05:58,483 --> 00:06:02,945 that piece of [bleep], who I don't have any respect for anymore, did, you know? 71 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:06,407 [crying] Oh, [bleep], oh, [bleep]. 72 00:06:06,491 --> 00:06:07,658 I need to take a break. 73 00:06:11,496 --> 00:06:14,499 [♪ somber music playing] 74 00:06:20,004 --> 00:06:22,882 [Roger Dunn] One of the things that has always concerned me 75 00:06:22,965 --> 00:06:24,967 about the Bundy story is, 76 00:06:25,718 --> 00:06:31,432 most of the s-- the stories appeared to glorify Ted Bundy. 77 00:06:31,516 --> 00:06:33,726 And that's why I haven't done any interviews. 78 00:06:33,810 --> 00:06:35,186 It turns my stomach. 79 00:06:38,022 --> 00:06:42,360 The victims' families have been ignored for 50 years. 80 00:06:43,778 --> 00:06:47,490 Nobody's gotten to see what their story felt like. 81 00:06:48,574 --> 00:06:51,369 It tore my guts up just thinking, 82 00:06:51,452 --> 00:06:55,915 "What would it be like to lose a child to a monster like Bundy?" 83 00:06:55,998 --> 00:06:58,793 I just... I-- I couldn't imagine that. 84 00:07:00,378 --> 00:07:05,716 It's sad that nobody has taken the effort to tell that side of the story, 85 00:07:06,300 --> 00:07:08,177 what those families went through. 86 00:07:11,264 --> 00:07:14,434 [Vivian Winters] Sue Rancourt was my daughter. 87 00:07:15,351 --> 00:07:18,563 Sue was, um, a dream child. 88 00:07:18,646 --> 00:07:21,065 She had just turned 17. 89 00:07:21,149 --> 00:07:24,318 All she wanted, from the time she was tiny, 90 00:07:24,402 --> 00:07:26,237 was to go to school. 91 00:07:26,571 --> 00:07:29,490 [sighs] The last time I saw Susan, 92 00:07:30,908 --> 00:07:34,287 she was boarding the airplane in Anchorage 93 00:07:34,370 --> 00:07:39,041 to attend college in Ellensburg at Central Washington. 94 00:07:42,003 --> 00:07:47,383 You know, mothers have a certain second sense when it comes... 95 00:07:48,843 --> 00:07:50,470 [voice breaking] ...to their children. 96 00:07:50,553 --> 00:07:51,554 [sighs heavily] 97 00:07:51,637 --> 00:07:54,849 [♪ somber music playing] 98 00:07:56,726 --> 00:08:00,271 She turned around and she looked at me, and she--- 99 00:08:01,647 --> 00:08:04,942 [crying] Her face was wet with tears. 100 00:08:06,152 --> 00:08:08,446 And of course, I was sobbing. 101 00:08:10,031 --> 00:08:11,157 [inhales deeply] 102 00:08:12,241 --> 00:08:14,702 And she just gave a little wave. 103 00:08:17,413 --> 00:08:18,789 [shaky breaths] 104 00:08:18,873 --> 00:08:23,920 And I told my husband, "I'll never see her again." 105 00:08:30,384 --> 00:08:33,387 [♪ ominous music playing] 106 00:08:36,933 --> 00:08:38,935 [Steven Winn] The day that she disappeared, 107 00:08:39,018 --> 00:08:42,897 Susan Rancourt was on her way to a meeting about becoming a dorm counselor, 108 00:08:42,980 --> 00:08:45,066 and she was never ever seen again. 109 00:08:45,149 --> 00:08:46,150 [car door slams] 110 00:08:47,693 --> 00:08:50,780 Two or three days earlier, two different women reported 111 00:08:50,863 --> 00:08:54,116 that a man had approached them with his arm in a sling 112 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,079 and some books in his other arm, asking for help to his car. 113 00:08:58,162 --> 00:08:59,789 [♪ ominous music continues] 114 00:08:59,872 --> 00:09:03,334 [Keppel] Susan Rancourt was one of the first co-eds who went missing 115 00:09:03,417 --> 00:09:07,171 from universities that were over 200 miles apart. 116 00:09:07,255 --> 00:09:09,715 At the time, no one made any connection 117 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:12,385 beyond observing that they were all missing. 118 00:09:13,302 --> 00:09:14,428 [Winn] Young college girls, 119 00:09:14,512 --> 00:09:16,722 they go off with their boyfriend, they're somewhere else, 120 00:09:16,806 --> 00:09:19,850 which is why the police take a measured view of these things 121 00:09:19,934 --> 00:09:22,562 to determine if there are some other explanation 122 00:09:22,645 --> 00:09:24,063 for why someone is missing. 123 00:09:27,525 --> 00:09:31,612 All of us knew that something terrible had happened to her. 124 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,658 At one point, 125 00:09:35,741 --> 00:09:39,954 somebody on the police department looked at my husband and said, 126 00:09:40,037 --> 00:09:45,626 "Aren't you going to feel silly when she shows up married to somebody?" 127 00:09:50,089 --> 00:09:53,217 [Keppel] From January to July of 1974, 128 00:09:53,301 --> 00:09:57,305 eight women went missing from across the Pacific Northwest. 129 00:09:58,514 --> 00:10:01,392 No one suspected the last person they ever saw 130 00:10:01,475 --> 00:10:03,352 was the man I was sitting with now. 131 00:10:04,061 --> 00:10:05,229 He was a nightmare, 132 00:10:06,856 --> 00:10:09,859 a stalker who was able to strike with impunity, 133 00:10:11,819 --> 00:10:15,406 just like our elusive Riverman, The Green River Killer. 134 00:10:15,489 --> 00:10:16,616 [♪ dark music playing] 135 00:10:16,699 --> 00:10:18,951 [film strip whirring] 136 00:10:20,453 --> 00:10:24,498 [reporter] The bones of victim number 21 of Washington State's Green River Killer 137 00:10:24,582 --> 00:10:26,167 were dug up near Seattle today. 138 00:10:43,934 --> 00:10:47,188 [Keppel] We suspected that Ted was also talking about himself, 139 00:10:47,855 --> 00:10:49,774 hinting that if we were smart enough 140 00:10:49,857 --> 00:10:51,984 to follow him down the trail he was blazing, 141 00:10:52,068 --> 00:10:54,737 we'd learn more about his methods. 142 00:11:11,796 --> 00:11:13,172 [Ted Bundy laughing] 143 00:11:17,259 --> 00:11:18,427 [bird calling] 144 00:11:18,511 --> 00:11:20,888 [♪ tense music playing] 145 00:11:20,971 --> 00:11:24,016 [reporter] A middle-aged man found a human skeleton this afternoon. 146 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:26,435 Officers admit the first thought through their heads 147 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:27,812 was the Green River case. 148 00:11:28,938 --> 00:11:31,857 He's certainly the largest mass murderer this state has ever known. 149 00:11:33,401 --> 00:11:37,029 [Keppel] We're looking at somebody who is less than 1% 150 00:11:37,113 --> 00:11:39,240 of all psychopathic killers, 151 00:11:39,323 --> 00:11:41,325 and they are very clever. 152 00:12:05,975 --> 00:12:09,019 [♪ tense, ominous music playing] 153 00:12:09,103 --> 00:12:14,024 Bob wanted to get into Ted's head about the... thinking 154 00:12:14,108 --> 00:12:17,611 that went into "Where am I gonna leave these women?" 155 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:21,407 How do you know that nobody's gonna run into you 156 00:12:21,490 --> 00:12:23,701 as you're doing your crimes? 157 00:12:23,784 --> 00:12:27,371 Those questions didn't really have to do so much with the Green River Killer, 158 00:12:27,455 --> 00:12:30,458 as it did with how Ted did his own offense. 159 00:12:48,267 --> 00:12:50,144 [Keppel] We were getting somewhere. 160 00:12:50,227 --> 00:12:52,688 I could see that Ted was projecting himself 161 00:12:52,772 --> 00:12:56,025 into each Green River murder as if he were the killer, 162 00:12:56,609 --> 00:12:58,486 making decisions on the spot. 163 00:12:59,069 --> 00:13:02,823 Whom to lure, how to lure, where to drive. 164 00:13:05,493 --> 00:13:08,412 Ted knew the importance of these things to the Riverman, 165 00:13:08,496 --> 00:13:12,625 as a killer who meticulously practiced each one of those things himself. 166 00:13:13,125 --> 00:13:14,126 [♪ dark music playing] 167 00:13:14,210 --> 00:13:16,170 [film strip whirring] 168 00:13:17,505 --> 00:13:20,090 [Dr. Donald Blackburn] If the addition of individuals, 169 00:13:20,174 --> 00:13:22,218 the information that they might be able to get, 170 00:13:22,301 --> 00:13:24,762 that can help with the return of our daughter, 171 00:13:24,845 --> 00:13:27,056 we would do anything to facilitate that. 172 00:13:27,139 --> 00:13:29,016 She's a beautiful, wonderful girl. 173 00:13:30,726 --> 00:13:32,269 [Keppel] In the summer of 1974, 174 00:13:32,353 --> 00:13:35,856 Detective Roger Dunn and I were still trying to keep up with leads 175 00:13:35,940 --> 00:13:38,400 in the Janice Ott and Denise Naslund cases. 176 00:13:38,484 --> 00:13:40,986 They disappeared from Lake Sammamish in July. 177 00:13:41,737 --> 00:13:43,155 [newscaster] Each lead has to be followed, 178 00:13:43,239 --> 00:13:44,740 every phone call has to be made, 179 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:47,368 most lead nowhere, some with a speck of information 180 00:13:47,451 --> 00:13:49,745 that may, someday, help clear up the mystery 181 00:13:49,829 --> 00:13:52,957 of the whereabouts of Janice Ott and Denise Naslund. 182 00:13:54,375 --> 00:13:57,002 [Keppel] All we knew is that the stranger known as "Ted" 183 00:13:57,086 --> 00:14:00,381 had likely taken two victims from Lake Sammamish that summer, 184 00:14:01,090 --> 00:14:03,133 and that Ted drove a VW Bug. 185 00:14:03,217 --> 00:14:04,885 [water lapping] 186 00:14:04,969 --> 00:14:08,222 [♪ tense music playing] 187 00:14:08,806 --> 00:14:13,018 It was pretty evident that there was some foul play involved, 188 00:14:13,102 --> 00:14:15,688 even though the victims had not been located. 189 00:14:16,689 --> 00:14:20,776 Bob Keppel and Roger Dunn, who were detectives in homicide, 190 00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:23,070 needed additional investigators, 191 00:14:24,321 --> 00:14:28,075 and they asked if I would join them on the task force. 192 00:14:29,660 --> 00:14:32,621 So, it was Keppel, Dunn, and McChesney. 193 00:14:33,539 --> 00:14:36,500 It wasn't a big task force, it was just the three of them. 194 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:40,462 [Dunn] But we were befuddled. 195 00:14:40,546 --> 00:14:43,883 There was nothing to-- to follow up on. 196 00:14:43,966 --> 00:14:47,094 -[radio chatter] -Until one day, we turned on the radio 197 00:14:47,177 --> 00:14:48,429 to listen to the news, 198 00:14:48,512 --> 00:14:51,307 and the news is broadcasting that 199 00:14:51,390 --> 00:14:57,479 the sheriff's office was investigating, uh, found remains east of Issaquah, 200 00:14:58,898 --> 00:15:03,652 close to where the two girls disappeared at Lake Sammamish State Park. 201 00:15:04,778 --> 00:15:06,614 [officer 1] [over radio] 1-6-6, this is 1-1-0. 202 00:15:06,697 --> 00:15:07,907 [officer 2] [over radio] Go ahead. 203 00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:10,075 [officer 1] The only thing we have is bone fragments. 204 00:15:10,659 --> 00:15:15,080 Issaquah was the first break that we had. 205 00:15:15,748 --> 00:15:18,959 There were some bones scattered around there, 206 00:15:19,043 --> 00:15:24,173 and hair strands from where the corpses laid for a while. 207 00:15:25,549 --> 00:15:26,550 [camera clicks] 208 00:15:26,634 --> 00:15:33,015 The bones had been scattered by animals and contaminated by the chew marks, 209 00:15:33,098 --> 00:15:38,187 so not only were there no signs of homicide on the skulls, 210 00:15:38,270 --> 00:15:42,983 there were no signs of lethal force on any of the long-stem bones either. 211 00:15:45,361 --> 00:15:47,696 [Keppel] We discovered a graveyard, 212 00:15:48,238 --> 00:15:49,490 a killer's lair. 213 00:15:49,573 --> 00:15:51,659 -[♪ dark, ominous music playing] -[camera clicking] 214 00:15:51,742 --> 00:15:57,206 Anyone who is really trying to understand the perspective of a killer 215 00:15:58,123 --> 00:16:01,251 needs to go to the places that killer went 216 00:16:01,335 --> 00:16:04,380 and try to imagine it from their point of view. 217 00:16:08,258 --> 00:16:09,969 What were they thinking when they were here? 218 00:16:10,052 --> 00:16:13,681 How were they calculating this to be a good dump site? 219 00:16:14,723 --> 00:16:17,935 What would it have been like for them to bring girls here? 220 00:16:18,435 --> 00:16:20,437 [engine rumbling] 221 00:16:21,188 --> 00:16:24,900 [Keppel] Even though the crime scene was only one mile from a populated area, 222 00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:26,318 it was still secluded. 223 00:16:27,069 --> 00:16:28,696 It was the perfect terrain. 224 00:16:29,655 --> 00:16:32,241 If you parked a car just off the dirt road, 225 00:16:32,324 --> 00:16:35,536 you could see or hear anyone coming from any direction. 226 00:16:36,704 --> 00:16:38,872 I got the feeling this was no accident. 227 00:16:39,498 --> 00:16:41,208 The killer chose this site 228 00:16:41,291 --> 00:16:44,128 so he could cover his tracks before anyone arrived. 229 00:16:46,588 --> 00:16:50,592 Dental records quickly identified Janice Ott and Denise Naslund. 230 00:16:52,469 --> 00:16:56,432 She brought me so much happiness and... 231 00:16:56,932 --> 00:16:58,142 [sniffles] 232 00:16:58,225 --> 00:16:59,601 ...so much love. 233 00:17:00,853 --> 00:17:05,107 Denise Naslund's mother became sort of the voice of all these women. 234 00:17:05,190 --> 00:17:07,776 She was the designated mourner. 235 00:17:07,860 --> 00:17:13,824 I went to her house and she had erected a kind of altar to Denise's memory. 236 00:17:13,907 --> 00:17:16,035 I don't think she ever stopped crying. 237 00:17:16,118 --> 00:17:18,912 She was just this wail of misery. 238 00:17:18,996 --> 00:17:20,622 [Dunn] It really affected her. 239 00:17:21,206 --> 00:17:23,917 Eleanor would call me almost every week 240 00:17:24,001 --> 00:17:27,379 to find out if there'd been any new developments. 241 00:17:27,463 --> 00:17:31,133 They said that they had found... a skull. 242 00:17:31,216 --> 00:17:32,551 [♪ dark music playing] 243 00:17:33,886 --> 00:17:37,139 At Issaquah, there was a third victim they couldn't identify. 244 00:17:39,683 --> 00:17:43,687 [Dunn] We had no idea who that third set of bones belonged to, 245 00:17:43,771 --> 00:17:47,691 but the logical probability was that it was one of the women 246 00:17:47,775 --> 00:17:50,235 who had disappeared earlier in that year. 247 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:53,739 Our suspect was responsible for all of the women 248 00:17:53,822 --> 00:17:55,908 that disappeared earlier that year as well. 249 00:17:57,534 --> 00:17:59,995 [Keppel] One of those women was Georgann Hawkins, 250 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:02,206 a University of Washington student. 251 00:18:03,749 --> 00:18:08,504 Near midnight on June 11, 1974, she was returning to her dorm 252 00:18:08,587 --> 00:18:11,965 when a man on crutches asked if she would help him to his car. 253 00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:19,348 He was becoming more daring and more audacious. 254 00:18:19,431 --> 00:18:23,644 So, you have the Georgann Hawkins abduction occurring almost in plain sight. 255 00:18:24,478 --> 00:18:27,022 The thrill. The need to up the ante. 256 00:18:28,607 --> 00:18:32,236 It's a brazen move to kidnap Georgann Hawkins 257 00:18:32,319 --> 00:18:34,238 out of an alley behind her sorority. 258 00:18:35,656 --> 00:18:36,865 [Keppel] We were confident 259 00:18:36,949 --> 00:18:40,661 that Georgann Hawkins had been taken by our mysterious "Ted," 260 00:18:42,913 --> 00:18:44,414 but we couldn't be sure 261 00:18:44,498 --> 00:18:47,501 that she was the third victim we found at Issaquah. 262 00:18:48,460 --> 00:18:53,298 And then, just six months later, another dump site and more bones. 263 00:18:54,716 --> 00:18:57,511 [officer] Seattle police are proceeding on the assumption 264 00:18:57,594 --> 00:18:59,138 that there are more bodies out here. 265 00:18:59,221 --> 00:19:01,765 We keep finding more and more every day. 266 00:19:02,224 --> 00:19:05,144 On Taylor Mountain, that's when the story really exploded. 267 00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:09,690 -[♪ tense music playing] -[dogs barking] 268 00:19:09,773 --> 00:19:13,318 [reporter] Skeletal remains were found on Taylor Mountain, near Issaquah. 269 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:18,407 [Keppel] It was only 11 miles east of the Issaquah site. 270 00:19:18,490 --> 00:19:22,661 Forestry students found bones while marking trees for a class project. 271 00:19:22,744 --> 00:19:25,038 You could find anything a couple hours from now 272 00:19:25,122 --> 00:19:26,790 or five minutes from now, it doesn't matter. 273 00:19:27,624 --> 00:19:33,255 Bob was stumbling through a thick patch and tripped over a vine maple root. 274 00:19:33,338 --> 00:19:34,673 And when he fell down, 275 00:19:35,549 --> 00:19:37,551 he looked up and he was looking at a skull. 276 00:19:37,634 --> 00:19:39,511 [♪ dark music playing] 277 00:19:40,387 --> 00:19:44,183 That wasn't the only skull that was found at Taylor Mountain, several were. 278 00:19:44,266 --> 00:19:46,101 [camera clicking] 279 00:19:52,774 --> 00:19:56,153 The problem that we have is we don't know the way they were killed. 280 00:19:56,236 --> 00:19:57,654 All we found is bones. 281 00:19:57,738 --> 00:20:00,657 [Dunn] When the discovery was made at Taylor Mountain, 282 00:20:01,241 --> 00:20:05,495 we knew we had a lot more victims to account for 283 00:20:05,579 --> 00:20:07,873 and a lot more evidence to gather, 284 00:20:07,956 --> 00:20:11,793 a lot more witness statements to pull together. 285 00:20:11,877 --> 00:20:14,755 All these skulls brought together the fact 286 00:20:14,838 --> 00:20:20,093 that this one guy was responsible for all of these murders. 287 00:20:21,595 --> 00:20:25,933 We had a massive serial killer case on our hands. 288 00:20:26,975 --> 00:20:29,436 [♪ ominous music playing] 289 00:20:29,728 --> 00:20:31,521 [Nick Mackie] We have identified today 290 00:20:31,605 --> 00:20:35,692 that one of the skulls was that of Brenda Carol Ball. 291 00:20:36,443 --> 00:20:40,948 She was 22 years when she was missing from the Flame Tavern 292 00:20:41,031 --> 00:20:44,368 about 2:00 a.m. on June 1, 1974. 293 00:20:45,035 --> 00:20:46,036 [camera clicks] 294 00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:49,414 Nobody saw anybody with her in the parking lot. 295 00:20:49,498 --> 00:20:51,333 She just vanished into thin air. 296 00:20:51,416 --> 00:20:52,417 [camera clicks] 297 00:20:52,501 --> 00:20:53,961 There was no leads to follow. 298 00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:56,046 [Keppel] The remains of the three other women 299 00:20:56,129 --> 00:20:58,548 were also identified from the skeletal remains 300 00:20:58,632 --> 00:20:59,925 we had recovered. 301 00:21:00,425 --> 00:21:03,595 Lynda Healy, who was reported missing from her basement bedroom 302 00:21:03,679 --> 00:21:05,514 at the University of Washington. 303 00:21:05,597 --> 00:21:09,142 Kathy Parks, last seen at Oregon State University. 304 00:21:09,226 --> 00:21:13,855 And Susan Rancourt who disappeared from Central Washington State College. 305 00:21:17,526 --> 00:21:22,072 We were relieved to at least know something. 306 00:21:23,824 --> 00:21:26,326 We knew she wasn't coming back, 307 00:21:26,410 --> 00:21:29,413 but to just have her... out there, 308 00:21:29,496 --> 00:21:32,457 disappearing into nowhere 309 00:21:32,958 --> 00:21:34,209 and not knowing 310 00:21:35,085 --> 00:21:40,048 was harder to bear than realizing the fact that she was gone. 311 00:21:40,132 --> 00:21:42,801 [♪ somber music playing] 312 00:21:42,884 --> 00:21:43,885 [camera clicks] 313 00:21:45,470 --> 00:21:49,433 It was something that none of us had ever been around before in our lives. 314 00:21:51,351 --> 00:21:55,105 I mean, you've got seven bodies out there just a few miles apart. 315 00:22:00,944 --> 00:22:03,780 [Keppel] One of those bodies was still unidentified 316 00:22:03,864 --> 00:22:06,867 and we hadn't yet accounted for two of our missing girls: 317 00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:09,578 Georgann Hawkins and Donna Manson. 318 00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:15,250 I had agreed only to ask Ted about the Green River murders, 319 00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:16,460 not his own, 320 00:22:16,543 --> 00:22:19,588 but I couldn't resist bringing up Taylor Mountain. 321 00:22:19,671 --> 00:22:22,424 Yet Ted showed no sign he'd ever been there. 322 00:22:41,693 --> 00:22:45,280 [Dr. Peter Salerno] Bundy was always in control of what he wanted to say 323 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:46,865 and what he didn't want to reveal, 324 00:22:46,948 --> 00:22:50,911 and he chose not to say certain things 325 00:22:50,994 --> 00:22:55,040 because he knew that it would drive a lot of people crazy 326 00:22:55,123 --> 00:22:56,500 if they couldn't connect the dots, 327 00:22:56,583 --> 00:23:00,045 and that felt very empowering for someone like him. 328 00:23:02,547 --> 00:23:06,009 [Keppel] Looking for another opening to talk to Bundy about his crimes, 329 00:23:06,093 --> 00:23:09,930 I asked him how much he knew about our investigation 10 years earlier. 330 00:23:38,583 --> 00:23:39,709 [♪ dark music playing] 331 00:23:39,793 --> 00:23:42,170 [film strip whirring] 332 00:23:44,339 --> 00:23:47,217 [Dunn] All of the leads and the tips that were coming in 333 00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:52,848 overwhelmed the normal system that we had for follow-ups on a case. 334 00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:56,059 [Kathleen McChesney] We knew that we had to compare the data. 335 00:23:56,601 --> 00:24:00,397 We did not have investigative computers at that point, 336 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:06,027 so we had to borrow computer time from the county payroll folks. 337 00:24:06,111 --> 00:24:11,950 And from there we narrowed it down to a hundred of the best "Ted" suspects, 338 00:24:12,451 --> 00:24:16,705 and Bob and I were real keen on this guy, Bundy. 339 00:24:16,788 --> 00:24:19,166 [♪ dark music playing] 340 00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:23,253 [♪ dark, ominous music playing] 341 00:24:25,255 --> 00:24:29,217 [Keppel] In our conversations, Ted was constantly asking for more details 342 00:24:29,301 --> 00:24:31,303 about our Green River investigation, 343 00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:36,892 especially how the Riverman hunted, lured, and abducted his victims. 344 00:24:37,684 --> 00:24:41,396 These, Ted told us, were clues to the killer's frame of mind 345 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,815 and motives for killing the women he did. 346 00:25:14,012 --> 00:25:16,598 [♪ tense music playing] 347 00:25:16,681 --> 00:25:19,309 [film strip whirring] 348 00:25:22,229 --> 00:25:26,525 We had psychiatrists and psychologists helping with the profile 349 00:25:26,608 --> 00:25:28,485 in the Ted investigation. 350 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:36,284 Profiling in an atypical homicide, where there are no clues and no motives, 351 00:25:36,368 --> 00:25:40,205 is like finding a needle in a haystack. 352 00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:43,208 First of all, you have to find the haystack, 353 00:25:43,833 --> 00:25:45,502 then you have to find the needle. 354 00:25:47,879 --> 00:25:49,631 [Keppel] In the Ted investigation, 355 00:25:49,714 --> 00:25:52,175 the needle we were looking for was evidence, 356 00:25:52,259 --> 00:25:55,595 and the haystacks were the dump sites where he left his victims. 357 00:25:57,347 --> 00:26:02,018 [reporter] Could a man carry a dead body in as far as you found these skulls? 358 00:26:02,102 --> 00:26:03,645 It would be a real job to do it. 359 00:26:03,728 --> 00:26:05,438 [♪ eerie music playing] 360 00:26:06,898 --> 00:26:11,778 I thought he was a extreme variant of a sexual psychopath. 361 00:26:12,737 --> 00:26:18,159 This is not a man who rapes the woman then kills her, 362 00:26:18,994 --> 00:26:20,620 which is not uncommon. 363 00:26:21,496 --> 00:26:23,957 There was something different about this. 364 00:26:24,708 --> 00:26:30,380 He might be primarily interested in dismembering the body, 365 00:26:31,798 --> 00:26:34,175 particularly decapitating them. 366 00:26:34,676 --> 00:26:36,678 [♪ eerie music continues] 367 00:26:37,512 --> 00:26:41,516 And so, then you're getting a picture of somebody who has particular places 368 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,643 where they're putting human remains. 369 00:26:43,727 --> 00:26:46,813 They may be cutting them up, they may be burying them, 370 00:26:46,896 --> 00:26:50,150 they may be carrying parts away and then bringing them back, 371 00:26:50,233 --> 00:26:52,277 or moving them from site to site. 372 00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:55,155 They begin to get a much more complicated picture. 373 00:26:56,489 --> 00:26:59,743 We were talking about someone who had planned the abductions, 374 00:26:59,826 --> 00:27:03,371 they had planned out what they were going to do with the victims. 375 00:27:05,206 --> 00:27:07,876 [Keppel] As we talked about the Green River Killer, 376 00:27:07,959 --> 00:27:11,838 Bundy kept bringing the conversation back to the dump sites, 377 00:27:11,921 --> 00:27:15,800 veering into a disturbing realm that seemed deeply personal. 378 00:27:32,525 --> 00:27:34,944 [Keppel] I knew Bundy had returned to the same sites, 379 00:27:35,028 --> 00:27:37,572 Issaquah and Taylor Mountain, over and over. 380 00:27:39,074 --> 00:27:42,619 The Green River Killer also used the same sites over and over. 381 00:27:46,539 --> 00:27:47,999 They had something in common. 382 00:28:00,220 --> 00:28:06,101 Bundy considered his body dump sites to be sacred, like a church for him. 383 00:28:07,185 --> 00:28:10,772 Once he had taken a victim and murdered her, 384 00:28:10,855 --> 00:28:13,441 he possessed her, she belonged to him. 385 00:28:13,525 --> 00:28:18,029 He assumed the Green River Killer was doing something similar. 386 00:28:48,852 --> 00:28:51,855 [♪ dark music playing] 387 00:28:53,189 --> 00:28:55,692 Recently, I thought about wherever we went camping, 388 00:28:55,775 --> 00:28:59,112 if Ted and I ever went to these places that he committed his crimes, 389 00:28:59,195 --> 00:29:01,030 and could-- Very possible. 390 00:29:02,699 --> 00:29:05,744 I'm sure that it's always in the front of his mind. 391 00:29:05,827 --> 00:29:07,746 [♪ dark, eerie music playing] 392 00:29:08,663 --> 00:29:10,832 And he probably thought about it 24/7. 393 00:29:31,853 --> 00:29:36,149 That day I was just thinking, "Well, I'm just gonna hitchhike 394 00:29:36,232 --> 00:29:39,110 and I'm gonna get home, and everything's gonna be fine." 395 00:29:39,194 --> 00:29:42,697 Little did I know it was gonna be my worst nightmare. 396 00:29:44,532 --> 00:29:49,287 I looked inside and saw him, and I still remember his face. 397 00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:51,998 My name is Rebecca Garde. 398 00:29:52,081 --> 00:29:56,294 I am the only survivor of the Green River Killer. 399 00:29:56,377 --> 00:29:58,379 [♪ dramatic music playing] 400 00:30:00,673 --> 00:30:02,675 [♪ tense music playing] 401 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:04,803 [reporter] One skeleton was found here on Saturday, 402 00:30:04,886 --> 00:30:06,054 two more on Sunday, 403 00:30:06,137 --> 00:30:08,640 and at about 10:30 this morning, it happened again. 404 00:30:08,723 --> 00:30:11,017 They need somebody in the general public to come forward 405 00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:13,102 with that one clue, that one break. 406 00:30:13,770 --> 00:30:15,814 [phone ringing] 407 00:30:16,564 --> 00:30:19,150 [Rebecca Garde] They were asking for the public's help. 408 00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:24,781 I had finally got the courage to talk to the police 409 00:30:24,864 --> 00:30:26,449 about what happened to me. 410 00:30:27,242 --> 00:30:29,577 [officer 1] Rebecca, the reason that we are here today 411 00:30:29,661 --> 00:30:33,706 is in regard to an assault 412 00:30:33,790 --> 00:30:38,169 that you reported to the King County police in 1984. 413 00:30:38,253 --> 00:30:42,549 The assault took place in November of 1982. Is that accurate? 414 00:30:42,632 --> 00:30:43,633 [Garde] Yes. 415 00:30:43,716 --> 00:30:45,718 [♪ tense music playing] 416 00:30:50,014 --> 00:30:52,225 I had just got off work. 417 00:30:52,308 --> 00:30:55,395 I thought I could get home faster by hitchhiking, 418 00:30:55,478 --> 00:30:59,732 so I stuck my thumb out and immediately got a ride. 419 00:31:00,817 --> 00:31:05,530 He pulled up and he looked at me really strange. 420 00:31:05,613 --> 00:31:09,242 I remember those eyes, those beady little eyes. 421 00:31:09,325 --> 00:31:10,827 [♪ tense music playing] 422 00:31:11,619 --> 00:31:13,663 And so I got in the car. 423 00:31:17,584 --> 00:31:21,838 I was making an exchange for a sex act, 424 00:31:22,881 --> 00:31:25,633 and he gave me the $20. 425 00:31:27,051 --> 00:31:31,848 I thought this was gonna be something simple and quick 426 00:31:31,931 --> 00:31:35,059 and he would give me a ride home afterwards, 427 00:31:35,143 --> 00:31:38,313 and everything would be forgotten. 428 00:31:39,606 --> 00:31:43,610 He drove way, way in the back in the woods. 429 00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:47,530 I didn't usually go that far. 430 00:31:49,157 --> 00:31:54,954 Everything was going fine until he started strangling me. 431 00:31:58,249 --> 00:32:00,960 I tried my hardest to breathe. 432 00:32:01,419 --> 00:32:05,173 He had covered my mouth and was strangling my neck. 433 00:32:05,757 --> 00:32:10,428 His face looked white, clammy, cold. 434 00:32:10,511 --> 00:32:12,013 Everything was cold. 435 00:32:12,597 --> 00:32:15,808 [officer 2] When you engaged in the act, did he have an erection? 436 00:32:15,892 --> 00:32:17,977 [Garde] No. Kinda made me think 437 00:32:18,061 --> 00:32:23,358 that he probably would've tried to have intercourse if I was dead. 438 00:32:24,692 --> 00:32:29,614 I was able to bite him and that threw him off. 439 00:32:31,032 --> 00:32:36,412 I ran down the hill as fast as I could, and kept running. 440 00:32:38,831 --> 00:32:41,668 I didn't tell anybody for a long time. 441 00:32:41,751 --> 00:32:47,298 And finally, I got the courage to call the task force. 442 00:32:47,382 --> 00:32:50,885 I gave them all the information that I had. 443 00:32:50,969 --> 00:32:54,222 I had picked out his photo. 444 00:32:54,305 --> 00:32:56,057 [officer 1] Is that the man that assaulted you in 198-- 445 00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:57,141 [Garde] That is the man. 446 00:32:57,225 --> 00:32:58,643 [officer 1] There's no doubt in your mind about that? 447 00:32:58,726 --> 00:32:59,727 [Garde] No doubt. 448 00:32:59,811 --> 00:33:01,771 [officer 2] Would you be willing to assist in the prosecution 449 00:33:01,854 --> 00:33:03,564 of this individual for the assault on you? 450 00:33:03,648 --> 00:33:04,732 [Garde] Yes, I will. 451 00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:08,861 Because there could be another person that he does this to. 452 00:33:10,321 --> 00:33:14,242 It seemed to me like they weren't working on this case. 453 00:33:14,993 --> 00:33:19,372 I was considered to be a prostitute 454 00:33:19,455 --> 00:33:23,042 and that's mainly why it wasn't pursued. 455 00:33:24,502 --> 00:33:28,089 There was a lot of anger that perhaps because of our victims, 456 00:33:28,172 --> 00:33:30,591 the majority have had ties to prostitution, 457 00:33:30,675 --> 00:33:32,510 that we didn't care as much. 458 00:33:33,386 --> 00:33:36,472 Having spoken with so many of the detectives on the task force, 459 00:33:36,556 --> 00:33:37,974 that was never the case. 460 00:33:38,474 --> 00:33:40,977 [Richard Kraske] One time, I went to the council 461 00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:43,062 to ask for more money for the investigation. 462 00:33:43,146 --> 00:33:44,355 And one councilman says, 463 00:33:44,439 --> 00:33:47,191 "Well, they're just a bunch of hookers, aren't they?" 464 00:33:47,275 --> 00:33:48,443 That was his attitude. 465 00:33:49,318 --> 00:33:52,864 And I said, "Well, you know, they're also human beings too, so..." 466 00:33:53,364 --> 00:33:54,866 And that really made me mad. 467 00:33:55,491 --> 00:33:57,994 [♪ dark, ominous music playing] 468 00:33:58,703 --> 00:34:01,330 [Keppel] The task force was under constant pressure, 469 00:34:01,414 --> 00:34:05,126 but despite our best efforts, the body count kept rising. 470 00:34:05,209 --> 00:34:08,171 [newscaster 1] Three other women have been added to the Green River missing list. 471 00:34:08,254 --> 00:34:12,717 [newscaster 2] Police say the victims are similar: runaways, very young, disturbed. 472 00:34:38,701 --> 00:34:41,120 I never thought the day that she-- 473 00:34:41,204 --> 00:34:43,998 [voice breaking] when she left, that I wouldn't see her again. 474 00:34:44,082 --> 00:34:45,083 [sniffles] 475 00:34:46,959 --> 00:34:48,544 [Keppel] In June 1983, 476 00:34:48,628 --> 00:34:52,256 16-year-old runaway Tammie Liles went missing. 477 00:34:54,467 --> 00:34:56,469 [♪ somber music playing] 478 00:34:57,762 --> 00:34:59,764 [Jenny Berg] She was young, you know? 479 00:34:59,847 --> 00:35:02,892 She just wanted to do what she wanted to do, you know? 480 00:35:02,975 --> 00:35:06,479 And our parents-- we went to church on Sundays and we had curfews, 481 00:35:06,562 --> 00:35:08,397 and I think she was just at that age 482 00:35:08,481 --> 00:35:10,316 she wanted to hang out with friends instead. 483 00:35:12,735 --> 00:35:13,736 -No. -[siblings laughing] 484 00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:15,488 But they couldn't keep her at the house, either. 485 00:35:18,616 --> 00:35:20,535 You know, it's not just our family. 486 00:35:20,618 --> 00:35:23,037 Other family members are going through the same thing we are. 487 00:35:26,165 --> 00:35:29,210 [Jenny Graham] There were a lot of people that didn't understand 488 00:35:29,293 --> 00:35:33,506 that when you pick up the paper and you look at that picture, 489 00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:38,010 that there's a story beneath that photograph. 490 00:35:38,094 --> 00:35:41,681 So many people didn't know what that story was. 491 00:35:41,764 --> 00:35:42,765 [camera clicks] 492 00:35:43,683 --> 00:35:47,395 The last time I saw Debbie, she had run away, again. 493 00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:49,021 The street corner 494 00:35:49,105 --> 00:35:50,231 that he picked her up 495 00:35:50,314 --> 00:35:53,651 was maybe two minutes away from where I was that day. 496 00:35:54,610 --> 00:35:56,779 I was the last one to see her. 497 00:35:58,823 --> 00:36:03,995 Debbie was just like any normal kid, doing homework, and playing with friends, 498 00:36:04,078 --> 00:36:06,706 and she absolutely loved horses. 499 00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:10,001 But when you're in an abusive situation, 500 00:36:10,084 --> 00:36:13,254 you see that animals can be used to control. 501 00:36:13,337 --> 00:36:17,383 Meaning, "I'll get you the horse, we'll do this." 502 00:36:17,466 --> 00:36:22,513 And then her biological father did whatever it was he was doing. 503 00:36:24,265 --> 00:36:25,266 Yes. 504 00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:29,854 Sorry, it's-- it's hard now even to talk about. 505 00:36:30,354 --> 00:36:31,898 They don't call... 506 00:36:32,982 --> 00:36:37,278 raping children "soul murder" for-- for nothing. 507 00:36:40,031 --> 00:36:45,578 In 1982, I got notification that Debbie had been put 508 00:36:45,661 --> 00:36:48,456 on the Green River missing list, at that point. 509 00:36:49,457 --> 00:36:55,296 It is quite different if you have a loved one that passed away 510 00:36:55,379 --> 00:36:58,507 and are able to give them a decent burial. 511 00:36:58,591 --> 00:37:00,134 You are able to mourn them. 512 00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:04,722 You are able to have some resolution and finality in your life. 513 00:37:04,805 --> 00:37:09,393 That is different than somebody that you love, missing. 514 00:37:12,730 --> 00:37:15,191 [reporter] Facing charges they have not done enough to find the killer, 515 00:37:15,274 --> 00:37:17,193 and under attack by angry and frightened residents, 516 00:37:17,276 --> 00:37:19,237 police say they have their own frustration. 517 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,863 [protesters chanting indistinctly] 518 00:37:20,947 --> 00:37:23,491 [Keppel] As horrifying as it was for the public, 519 00:37:23,574 --> 00:37:25,826 it weighed even more heavily on us, 520 00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:29,330 investigators trying to put an end to the murder spree. 521 00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:30,998 But no matter what we did, 522 00:37:31,082 --> 00:37:34,460 the Green River Killer was always one step ahead of us. 523 00:37:34,543 --> 00:37:36,295 [newscaster] Another victim was added to the list 524 00:37:36,379 --> 00:37:38,547 of young women murdered by the Green River Killer. 525 00:37:38,631 --> 00:37:40,967 That list now has 28 names on it. 526 00:37:41,050 --> 00:37:45,471 I looked at it and we figured it was a hip bone off of a person. 527 00:37:48,307 --> 00:37:51,310 [♪ dark music playing] 528 00:38:20,965 --> 00:38:23,259 [reporter] Police were combing this wooded area 529 00:38:23,342 --> 00:38:24,760 after a motorcyclist found 530 00:38:24,844 --> 00:38:28,222 the badly decomposed nude body of a woman Saturday night. 531 00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:30,057 [♪ dramatic music playing] 532 00:38:30,141 --> 00:38:34,228 [Keppel] From 1982 to 1984, the Green River Killer was a busy man, 533 00:38:35,146 --> 00:38:38,316 preying on prostitutes in the Seattle area. 534 00:38:39,692 --> 00:38:42,278 We suspected him in the deaths and disappearances 535 00:38:42,361 --> 00:38:44,071 of more than 40 young women. 536 00:38:44,655 --> 00:38:49,076 There were so many women who we both knew were dead and or were missing. 537 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,706 And for it not to be solved was really kind of a blemish 538 00:38:53,789 --> 00:38:57,626 on our local law enforcement and on the community, 539 00:38:57,710 --> 00:39:00,880 because you just have years and years of unanswered questions. 540 00:39:00,963 --> 00:39:04,925 [protesters] ...five, six, seven, eight, stop the murders! Stop the rape! 541 00:39:05,009 --> 00:39:08,262 Whoever they marching against, murdered my daughter. 542 00:39:09,221 --> 00:39:10,556 And I'm very bitter. 543 00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:12,767 I think if it would've been a policeman's daughter, 544 00:39:12,850 --> 00:39:15,019 they would've had that guy a long time ago. 545 00:39:16,228 --> 00:39:17,813 [reporter] In the task force headquarters, 546 00:39:17,897 --> 00:39:20,941 someone is almost constantly on the phone following up on a lead. 547 00:39:23,611 --> 00:39:30,451 I know that this took an emotional toll on these detectives as human beings. 548 00:39:31,911 --> 00:39:35,581 Knowing this killer is killing children and young women, 549 00:39:35,664 --> 00:39:38,501 and we just don't seem to be able to catch him. 550 00:39:40,419 --> 00:39:41,629 [Kraske] It was horrible. 551 00:39:42,296 --> 00:39:45,591 My role was the major in charge of the whole investigation. 552 00:39:46,675 --> 00:39:50,846 I was on it from 1982 to the end of 1984. 553 00:39:51,764 --> 00:39:53,557 I ended up in the hospital. 554 00:39:54,392 --> 00:39:56,310 It was the stress that caused it. 555 00:39:57,395 --> 00:40:00,773 That kind of a case, I don't know, I just, uh... 556 00:40:01,690 --> 00:40:03,776 To this day, it lingers in the back of my mind 557 00:40:03,859 --> 00:40:05,528 about some of the stuff that went on. 558 00:40:06,821 --> 00:40:09,365 [reporter] Officers have sent more than 800 pieces of evidence 559 00:40:09,448 --> 00:40:10,741 to the state crime lab 560 00:40:10,825 --> 00:40:14,662 and have taken calls from the public on more than 1,000 suspects. 561 00:40:14,745 --> 00:40:16,872 We didn't have databases, we didn't have the internet. 562 00:40:16,956 --> 00:40:21,377 You literally have to track down, on a piece of paper, every single tip 563 00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:22,795 and then try to run it down. 564 00:40:22,878 --> 00:40:24,880 It's incredibly labor-intensive. 565 00:40:25,381 --> 00:40:28,384 We had people call in with tips about the Green River. 566 00:40:28,467 --> 00:40:30,678 It was so overwhelming, we had to shut the phones down. 567 00:40:32,012 --> 00:40:34,557 [Keppel] We were desperate to solve the Green River cases, 568 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,183 just like our Ted investigation 569 00:40:36,267 --> 00:40:39,520 of those eight missing women in Washington, 10 years earlier. 570 00:40:42,022 --> 00:40:46,986 Bundy was no psychic, but he did identify a weakness he saw in the Riverman. 571 00:40:47,069 --> 00:40:49,572 [♪ ominous music playing] 572 00:41:30,738 --> 00:41:33,699 Serial killers, they read the papers, they watch the news. 573 00:41:33,782 --> 00:41:38,454 They're interested in staying a couple steps ahead of law enforcement. 574 00:41:40,122 --> 00:41:43,250 The Green River Killer case had a great deal of attention. 575 00:41:44,251 --> 00:41:46,962 [Patty Eakes] It was huge, it got a lot of publicity, 576 00:41:47,046 --> 00:41:51,967 but it also brought a flood of information so it's both a blessing and a curse. 577 00:41:52,718 --> 00:41:54,595 [reporter] Every time somebody does a news story 578 00:41:54,678 --> 00:41:56,180 about the Green River murders, 579 00:41:56,263 --> 00:41:57,806 the number of calls jumps back up. 580 00:41:59,558 --> 00:42:01,894 [Keppel] One of those calls was a promising tip. 581 00:42:02,478 --> 00:42:05,439 Finally, we had what looked like a real suspect. 582 00:42:05,523 --> 00:42:07,399 Did you kill all those women or what? 583 00:42:07,483 --> 00:42:09,860 [♪ tense music playing] 584 00:42:12,905 --> 00:42:18,118 Undercover officers have been keeping a 24-hour watch on one of the suspects. 585 00:42:18,202 --> 00:42:22,206 Police consider him a prime suspect because he failed a polygraph test. 586 00:42:22,289 --> 00:42:23,624 [♪ tense music playing] 587 00:42:33,884 --> 00:42:35,844 [officer] Would you describe the telephone call 588 00:42:35,928 --> 00:42:37,638 that you received from Ted Bundy? 589 00:42:37,721 --> 00:42:39,723 [witness] He-- he told me that he was sick 590 00:42:39,807 --> 00:42:43,727 and that he was consumed by something that he didn't understand. 591 00:42:43,811 --> 00:42:45,229 He just couldn't contain it. 592 00:42:47,022 --> 00:42:49,024 [Rich Bundy] Looked like he was gonna throw up, 593 00:42:49,108 --> 00:42:52,778 like he was looking at something really troubling and disgusting. 594 00:42:52,861 --> 00:42:54,321 He felt it coming on. 595 00:42:55,573 --> 00:42:57,700 He wanted to go rape and murder somebody. 596 00:42:57,783 --> 00:42:59,994 [♪ dramatic music playing]